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[Sebra]

It is Minecraft, not reality
1. Beacon is tall and linear. -> looks like antenna.
2. CC do not use electricity, only Redstone power -> no need for metals.
3. Beacon is "technomagic" -> perfect to combine with modem based on EnderPearl.
+ Beacon is multiblock supported by Minecraft itself -> no need for CC to mantain it.

side note: there was experiments to use laser beam as an antenna

Edited by Sebra, 09 July 2014 - 09:11 PM.

[KingofGamesYami]

Minecraft does have it's limits.
1) No, it really doesn't.
2) Duh, thats why we need redstone in the recipes. it IS the conductor
3) Beacons are not technomagic... they generate a beam of light. The range of their powers does not extend farther than wireless modems. They are based on a magical item that drops from the corpse of a horrendous monster from an alternate dimension that somehow manages to generate different abilities based on the amount of expensive materials not available in the said dimension in a specific structure nearby. Also called a "nether star". The beam is also blocked by clear water, but will penetrate opaque lava & solid glass. ...need I continue?

side note: how could that possibly work? The idea of an antenna is that it broadcasts strong electromagnetic waves. A laser generates light radiation in a specific direction, instead of in "waves".

[Lyqyd]

I think I know what he is referring to. They're not using the laser as the antenna, they're using a laser in conjunction with an antenna to detect radio signals without thermal noise.

Also, I don't think you really understand lasers, since the light is in waves.

[KingofGamesYami]

Lyqyd, on 10 July 2014 - 12:15 AM, said:

I think I know what he is referring to. They're not using the laser as the antenna, they're using a laser in conjunction with an antenna to detect radio signals without thermal noise.

Also, I don't think you really understand lasers, since the light is in waves.

I meant lasers are directed, instead of just broadcasting.

[AlkamlBan]

Why can't it just be a block that when placed high emits further (not that it doesn't emmit far enough on its own) and is, maybe, connected through a cable with a computer (the cable is needed to "specify" which computer it will take orders from) and... thats it. I mean it is basically a sky-high wireless computer. The only difference is that you don't have to open him every time + it take commands directly from the computer it is connected

[Sebra]

Minecraft's limits are moder's imagination.
1. It really does (until you have arguments)
2. Redstone generate and conduct signal, metals are not. And wireless communication works on Ender Pearls now.
3. Beacons are special construction with magic ingredients and properties ->technomagic... They generate a beam (of not light). The range of their magical powers is low, but why not to allow it to empower wireless modems? Check full beam length to unlock full wireless abilities. ...need I continue?

side note

Spoiler

Local ionization to allow air conductivity for EM waves. Did not hear about results though.

Edited by Sebra, 10 July 2014 - 02:32 PM.

[KingofGamesYami]

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Why can't it just be a block that when placed high emits further (not that it doesn't emmit far enough on its own) and is, maybe, connected through a cable with a computer (the cable is needed to "specify" which computer it will take orders from) and... thats it. I mean it is basically a sky-high wireless computer. The only difference is that you don't have to open him every time + it take commands directly from the computer it is connected

We've already gone over this. That is a wireless turtle with a repeater program..

Sebra, on 10 July 2014 - 02:32 PM, said:

Minecraft's limits are moder's imagination.
1. It really does (until you have arguments)
2. Redstone generate and conduct signal, metals are not. And wireless communication works on Ender Pearls now.
3. Beacons are special construction with magic ingredients and properties ->technomagic... They generate a beam (of not light). The range of their magical powers is low, but why not to allow it to empower wireless modems? Check full beam length to unlock full wireless abilities. ...need I continue?

side note

Spoiler

Local ionization to allow air conductivity for EM waves. Did not hear about results though.

2) Yes it works on ender pearls now... This makes sense, since ender pearls teleport. Ender "resonance" has been exploited by many mods, such as buildcraft, thermal expansion, open blocks, etc.
3) I'm saying that beacons do a lot UP, not SIDEWAYS. If we could put a satellite in space (literally, with a space mod), we could use a beacon to communicate with it. However, we are talking HORIZONTAL communications, so it makes no sense.

[Wojbie]

Sorry for going bit off-topic here.

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

3) I'm saying that beacons do a lot UP, not SIDEWAYS. If we could put a satellite in space (literally, with a space mod), we could use a beacon to communicate with it. However, we are talking HORIZONTAL communications, so it makes no sense.

You realize that long range radio (high frequency or shortwave) communication is basically based on bouncing signal off Ionosphere? Soo you can do a lot of UP to go SIDEWAYS

Spoiler

While i personally don't have opinion on this discussion i just wanted to point it out.

Edited by wojbie, 10 July 2014 - 04:34 PM.

[KingofGamesYami]

wojbie, on 10 July 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

Sorry for going bit off-topic here.

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

3) I'm saying that beacons do a lot UP, not SIDEWAYS. If we could put a satellite in space (literally, with a space mod), we could use a beacon to communicate with it. However, we are talking HORIZONTAL communications, so it makes no sense.

You realize that long range radio (high frequency or shortwave) communication is basically based on bouncing signal off Ionosphere? Soo you can do a lot of UP to go SIDEWAYS

Spoiler

While i personally don't have opinion on this discussion i just wanted to point it out.

Cool. Too bad it reflects radio waves, not light waves (yes I still say the beam is light)

[Sebra]

wojbie, on 10 July 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

You realize that long range radio (high frequency or shortwave) communication is basically based on bouncing signal off Ionosphere? Soo you can do a lot of UP to go SIDEWAYS

Minecraft world is linear, so no need for reflections.
But wave emission is often perpendicular to conductor.

KingofGamesYami, on 09 July 2014 - 11:00 PM, said:

...The beam is also blocked by clear water, but will penetrate opaque lava & solid glass. ...

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

(yes I still say the beam is light)

... which cannot light anything.
It does not matter

[AlkamlBan]

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Why can't it just be a block that when placed high emits further (not that it doesn't emmit far enough on its own) and is, maybe, connected through a cable with a computer (the cable is needed to "specify" which computer it will take orders from) and... thats it. I mean it is basically a sky-high wireless computer. The only difference is that you don't have to open him every time + it take commands directly from the computer it is connected

We've already gone over this. That is a wireless turtle with a repeater program..

Yes but it can have some bonuses compared to the wireless turtle. For example due to the fact that it connects to only one computer it only gets commands from him compared to the turtle which you can remotelly hack. Not to mention that turtles can be hacked from up-close just right click do some magic and boom! You just destroyed someone else's communications. As easy as that

[flaghacker]

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Why can't it just be a block that when placed high emits further (not that it doesn't emmit far enough on its own) and is, maybe, connected through a cable with a computer (the cable is needed to "specify" which computer it will take orders from) and... thats it. I mean it is basically a sky-high wireless computer. The only difference is that you don't have to open him every time + it take commands directly from the computer it is connected

We've already gone over this. That is a wireless turtle with a repeater program..

Yes but it can have some bonuses compared to the wireless turtle. For example due to the fact that it connects to only one computer it only gets commands from him compared to the turtle which you can remotelly hack. Not to mention that turtles can be hacked from up-close just right click do some magic and boom! You just destroyed someone else's communications. As easy as that

1) You could add security features to your repeater program, and remote hacking is impossible when strings are just send over rednet. The worse that can happen is someone else using your turtle for his communication too.
2) If you get close to the turtle/"repeater" block you can just break it anyway, no "hacking" required.

Edited by flaghacker, 10 July 2014 - 08:14 PM.

[AlkamlBan]

flaghacker, on 10 July 2014 - 08:13 PM, said:

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

AlkamlBan, on 10 July 2014 - 09:55 AM, said:

Why can't it just be a block that when placed high emits further (not that it doesn't emmit far enough on its own) and is, maybe, connected through a cable with a computer (the cable is needed to "specify" which computer it will take orders from) and... thats it. I mean it is basically a sky-high wireless computer. The only difference is that you don't have to open him every time + it take commands directly from the computer it is connected

We've already gone over this. That is a wireless turtle with a repeater program..

Yes but it can have some bonuses compared to the wireless turtle. For example due to the fact that it connects to only one computer it only gets commands from him compared to the turtle which you can remotelly hack. Not to mention that turtles can be hacked from up-close just right click do some magic and boom! You just destroyed someone else's communications. As easy as that

1) You could add security features to your repeater program, and remote hacking is impossible when strings are just send over rednet. The worse that can happen is someone else using your turtle for his communication too.
2) If you get close to the turtle/"repeater" block you can just break it anyway, no "hacking" required.

Yes but you want to do it with style .Plus if someone taps into your comms, he can trick you to thinking it is somebody else. All he has to do is use his imagination on what he can do. Giving you false data. All with the touch of some buttons!

Oh and something else. There is something called rednet.broadcast() which will send the message to everybody using a rednet.receive(). This way tapping into your comms instantly. And yes while it is true that you can defend the turtle using a protocol, I don't think most people would think of this because they are the only ones knowing the turtles ID. So...yeah... Plus even if the player eventually workes out he is hacked..it is too late! The hacker can pose as the person on the other side and may ask for the protocol. Which you, the unsuspecting player, will give away in an instant. So there you go! Not to mention that using this the hacker can send programs from his computer to another that is connected, which programm can easily give him access to anything in his computer. He is at the mercy of someone else WITHOUT KNOWING IT!!

Edited by Lyqyd, 11 July 2014 - 12:06 AM.

[cptdeath58]

Sebra, on 10 July 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

wojbie, on 10 July 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

You realize that long range radio (high frequency or shortwave) communication is basically based on bouncing signal off Ionosphere? Soo you can do a lot of UP to go SIDEWAYS

Minecraft world is linear, so no need for reflections.
But wave emission is often perpendicular to conductor.

KingofGamesYami, on 09 July 2014 - 11:00 PM, said:

...The beam is also blocked by clear water, but will penetrate opaque lava & solid glass. ...

KingofGamesYami, on 10 July 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

(yes I still say the beam is light)

... which cannot light anything.
It does not matter

Dude, It goes UP. It cannot reflect off the atmosphere because the world is LINEAR. Go get a laser pointer, get a mirror and point it STRAIGHT, that is
what will happen to the beam. it can't go left or right because the world is a big giant block( Unless you used a space mod of some sort to make it "round" )

It IS possible to actually bent light waves (I am also saying it is a beam a light) on all surfaces. It just scatters upon a rough surface. Now if it was flat (I literally mean flat) or was angled correctly, it can create a mirror. You can actually see this on the road, if you pay attention to the road, sometimes the light is bent correctly and you get a mirror. To actually get that to happen on the atmosphere for comms means you must have a perfect cloud going on and a heck of a light source.

Edited by cptdeath58, 15 July 2014 - 09:59 PM.

[Lyqyd]

This has gone on for far longer than was necessary.