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[cyanisaac]

Creator, on 29 January 2016 - 09:54 PM, said:

oeed, on 29 January 2016 - 12:38 AM, said:

Creator, on 28 January 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

it keeps you under pressure to meet a certain standard

Not a bad thing. At all.

What I mean is that you code to meet the standard, instead of for fun or for self-education.

But through coding for that standard you would learn stuff, and honestly programming to earn Krist is still useless, but it would be "fun" to see how many people you could get to buy it.

So I'm still not convinced that it's a stupid way to go.

[SquidDev]

cyanisaac, on 30 January 2016 - 05:23 AM, said:

But through coding for that standard you would learn stuff, and honestly programming to earn Krist is still useless, but it would be "fun" to see how many people you could get to buy it.

So I'm still not convinced that it's a stupid way to go.

If Krist were to be involved at all I feel 'donations' would be the way to go. This means there is no obligation to pay for things but people can show their appreciation.

[H4X0RZ]

The problem is, there is no easy way to get krist. Mining is hard af. And because it's worth nothing, you can't convert it either

[Creator]

SquidDev, on 30 January 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

cyanisaac, on 30 January 2016 - 05:23 AM, said:

But through coding for that standard you would learn stuff, and honestly programming to earn Krist is still useless, but it would be "fun" to see how many people you could get to buy it.

So I'm still not convinced that it's a stupid way to go.

If Krist were to be involved at all I feel 'donations' would be the way to go. This means there is no obligation to pay for things but people can show their appreciation.

This sounds like a good idea.

[FUNCTION MAN!]

Creator, on 28 January 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

cyanisaac, on 28 January 2016 - 09:57 PM, said:

oeed, on 28 January 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

cyanisaac, on 28 January 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

In CraftOS2.0, something that would be helpful would be if every virtual computer (assuming it works like this) has an unmodifiable (constant) unique identifier. I think this could be useful for certain things.

Well yeah at the moment we don't know whether there is support for multiple computers. I'd be somewhat surprised if there isn't though.

Wouldn't os.getComputerID do what you want? Or do you mean unique as in all my virtual computers have a different identifiers to your ones?

Completely unique, so my computers would have different IDs to yours. That way services could utilize it to keep track of one computer from any other one.

This would mean that there is a real life server somewhere keeping track of which IDs have been taken. Seriously guys, keep it simple. CraftOS 2.0 is similar to Love2D: it is a game engine, not a physical computer. The thing about using krist for payment has several disadvantages:

• people are motivated enough to code without receiving a reward you can't even spend. Just take a look at the program section.
  
• it keeps you under pressure to meet a certain standard, so that people will pay. Computercraft is supposed to be a hobby, not a full-time job.
  
• If someone want to make you pay for something, just find a FOSS alternative.
  
• Since we are not allowed to load binaries, I can just strip out the part of the code that takes care of licensing.

So by all means, ask for krist and watch as nobody pays for it, because we just remove the 3-4 lines of code that make us pay krist. By the way, I will not be part of the krist greedy part of the community as I prefer to code and learn from it, this being the benefit I receive from giving you my programs.

Um, I can load binaries just fine. You know, by doing load(binary, 'something', nil or 't', env).

[wilcomega]

FUNCTION MAN!, on 30 January 2016 - 08:43 PM, said:

Creator, on 28 January 2016 - 10:46 PM, said:

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Um, I can load binaries just fine. You know, by doing load(binary, 'something', nil or 't', env).

I think hee meant post it on the forums, since they cannot be checked for malicious code

Edited by wilcomega, 30 January 2016 - 10:43 PM.

[FUNCTION MAN!]

He said load. Not post. Also, a decompiler exists.

[wilcomega]

i said "i think" which means that its not a fact. also, what an attitude

[Creator]

I meant that in the CC bios load is modified so that binaries cannot be loaded.

Edited by Creator, 31 January 2016 - 05:21 AM.

[ardera]

H4X0RZ, on 30 January 2016 - 11:52 AM, said:

The problem is, there is no easy way to get krist. Mining is hard af. And because it's worth nothing, you can't convert it either

Money should be not easy to get. And it's at least worth something, because it's not easy to get. Krist is worth computing time.

[Bomb Bloke]

Careful, that sort of logic leads to seeing value in smurfberries!

[Wojbie]

Money that 90% of people are unable to get is money that is worthless for 90% of people.

[H4X0RZ]

Also, btw, are domains a valid way to pay too? If so, what would be their price?

[ardera]

Wojbie, on 31 January 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:

Money that 90% of people are unable to get is money that is worthless for 90% of people.

Money that 100% of people are able to get using nothing is worthless for 100% of people
Also, everyone is able to get krist.

See it like that: if it was very easy to get krist, it'd be worth even less

Edited by ardera, 31 January 2016 - 12:59 PM.

[Lupus590]

And if you don't want it and have no use for it (other than to give to other, maybe) then it is even more worthless. [/personal opinion]

Edited by Lupus590, 31 January 2016 - 02:23 PM.

[ProjectxCyan]

It's exciting to think of all of the possibilities though. We've been wanting to tackle a more advanced OS with a pretty GUI, actual file encryption and security etc. CraftOS 2.0 is exciting, it will actually bring that possibility to the table.

[apemanzilla]

ProjectxCyan, on 03 February 2016 - 04:55 AM, said:

It's exciting to think of all of the possibilities though. We've been wanting to tackle a more advanced OS with a pretty GUI, actual file encryption and security etc. CraftOS 2.0 is exciting, it will actually bring that possibility to the table.

All of that is already possible though. Exerro's Phoenix OS has a nice GUI and encryption too.

[FUNCTION MAN!]

Creator, on 31 January 2016 - 05:21 AM, said:

I meant that in the CC bios load is modified so that binaries cannot be loaded.

Well, it's modified so that binaries can't be loaded..

But It's a bad modification. It just errors if you try to call it with mode='b', regardless of contents.

[Creator]

Would binaries allow someone to break out of the sandbox?

[apemanzilla]

Creator, on 06 February 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

Would binaries allow someone to break out of the sandbox?

No, binary loading loads the string as Lua bytecode instead of Lua code.

It actually will load either as long as you pass nil or "t", despite "b" being disabled.