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[Noodle]

Go ahead and try breaking Obsidian with tnt.. It works if you have enough.
16GB ram computer, kickass graphics card, etc. I go it all, done it before.. It works both Bedrock and Obsidian.

[Darky_Alan]

Noodle, on 24 July 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Go ahead and try breaking Obsidian with tnt.. It works if you have enough.
16GB ram computer, kickass graphics card, etc. I go it all, done it before.. It works both Bedrock and Obsidian.

It doesn't add up though I don't see how it could, guess I'd have to blow something to shits again and see what happens, but on our server a kid wants to make an underground city, what did I do? I made a 4x4x4 cube of NUKES right next to BEDROCK LEVEL, there was a HUGE HOLE underground but all the bedrock was intact.

Also, Awesome I'm now a script kiddie.

[Noodle]

Make a 256x256x256 cube.. It works. It also crashes servers -.-

[Darky_Alan]

Noodle, on 24 July 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Make a 256x256x256 cube.. It works. It also crashes servers -.-

I think brad would kill me if I crashed the server, lol. I could easily kiss my hard earned admin position and membership in general goodbye.

[Noodle]

Lmao.
Its not hard to do, install SPC and WE on your mc and go in flatgrass and make a 256x256x256 ball of TNT. HF<-- TOOOOOO MUCH LAG.

[Darky_Alan]

I like how we completely veered offcourse here, bottomline is yeah. atleast for servers a way to make your pc unbreakable would be nice.

[Noodle]

SMP would be nice to make indestructible but its not really possible unless they give it the attributes of a piece of bedrock and then its not indestructible but you'll have a hell of a time getting 10000000 tnt.

[Teraminer]

Darky_Alan, on 24 July 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Dino2306, on 22 July 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Pinkishu, on 05 July 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Obsidian isn't indestructible
In fact nothing excepted bedrock is
And you can't normally get bedrock to use it for crafting
So heh

Ever used rocket science mod? Their thermonuclear missiles, can blast through bedrock, (Aka, over 18000 blast strength)

Last time I checked bedrock doesn't work that way though, I could be TOTALLY wrong but blocks have health values, the higher the value the harder the material and the harder it is to break.

Bedrock has a value of -1 so no matter what you do hitting it with a tool only sums up value, there's no tool that subtracts. The missile probabbly hits -1 +



Also I really like this idea, why not make PC's like the personal safes in IC2? only the player that puts it down can break it. cause even with worldguard I bet some random asshole could break it and even though it re-spawns it'll likely lose the code that was in it.

see the wiki for bedrocks "health"

and the PC does not respawn, the client sends a package (think this is what it's called) to the server saying "Hey, I broke that block" and the server replyes "no you can't break that block" so for
the server it never broke. <<<<<
And if you can condense 255 ,or something, TNTs of (enviromental)damage you can break obsidian so I bet you can do that to bedrock too.(you can do this with SPC using the explode or explosion command and then the power or condensed TNT's.

P.S. @Darky_Alan I became Scripter />

[Noodle]

^^ Its proven by wiki and everyone that it is possible to break bedrock with tnt in 1.2.5.

[Darky_Alan]

Lol if that's possible then wouldn't it be possible for me to endlessly stand infront of bedrock with a diamond pickaxe and beat the shit out of it till it breaks? Yes I know this would take FOREVER.

[Noodle]

No it wouldn't, it would has the attributes where diamond pick won't work on it.
A few glitches can get rid of it, only problem is BLAST_PROTECTION - Its an attribute on the Bedrock Block. If its set at a limit you can possibly break it, in this case it is and you can break it with enough tnt.
Another glitch that was found in 1.2.3 was that if you hit the bedrock block with a wood pickaxe you can break it after like 5 minutes.

[Turtle]

Darky_Alan, on 24 July 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Dino2306, on 22 July 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Pinkishu, on 05 July 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Obsidian isn't indestructible
In fact nothing excepted bedrock is
And you can't normally get bedrock to use it for crafting
So heh

Ever used rocket science mod? Their thermonuclear missiles, can blast through bedrock, (Aka, over 18000 blast strength)

Last time I checked bedrock doesn't work that way though, I could be TOTALLY wrong but blocks have health values, the higher the value the harder the material and the harder it is to break.

Bedrock has a value of -1 so no matter what you do hitting it with a tool only sums up value, there's no tool that subtracts. The missile probabbly hits -1 +



Also I really like this idea, why not make PC's like the personal safes in IC2? only the player that puts it down can break it. cause even with worldguard I bet some random asshole could break it and even though it re-spawns it'll likely lose the code that was in it.

on the safes:
Love the idea.

on your respond to me.
I'm not sure on tools, but, blast resistance is 18,000,000 , meaning, any explosion higher, will kill it anyway.
Also note that instead of a little hole in the middle, there is a ring-hole in the crater when therm. nucl. missiles explode near bedrock.

[ChunLing]

We are now basically talking about being reduced to blowing up your entire house and several chunks in every direction if you (or some griefer) put a computer where you didn't want it. This strikes me as a sub-optimal idea.

If there is a security issue with a computer being placed somewhere a griefer could break it, you can place it above a wooden pressure plate that will activate some anti-griefer mechanism (sand/gravel over TNT pit trap, sticky piston trapdoor or lava fountains, or something really inventive) that will appropriately punish whoever broke the computer. You just have to design it so that the computer can only be accessed from a particular location and that it isn't close enough to be picked up before it drops onto the pressure plate.

Yes, there are times that having an indestructable block seems like a useful idea. Then someone else seals your bedroom (or last known location) shut with them and you are stuck there forever on respawning. Security systems can be broken, that's life.

Of course, now I really want to be able to seal someone in a tomb made of unbreakable computers...or just stick them all over someone's house (perhaps connected to displays announcing their character faults) so they have to blow up their own base. But that should only be possible by cheating, and hey look, it already is.

[Noodle]

You could just work to get enough obsidian to make a house so you don't get griefers. Making a diamond pick takes a while, no griefer will waste his time on that.

[ChunLing]

Well, actually there are griefers that will run about with enough obsidian to entomb unlucky players who don't have a diamond pickaxe for some reason. Or, will break into your house, entomb your bed, then hunt you down and kill you so you respawn encased in obsidian. Which is sorta the reason that keeping griefers from getting into your house is a real concern. And that means that having an obsidian house is just making things easier for the really dangerous griefer.

But giving that sort the ability to easily trap you in a tomb that can be programmed to make fun of you endlessly strikes me as a bad idea. Effective anti-griefer measures need to kill the would-be griefer and make them lose all their stuff. Pulling the floor out from under them with sticky pistons and dropping them into a pit of lava and activated TNT is the way to go, as far as I'm concerned.

[Noodle]

Yea, yea, but on a CC server who is actually going to grief..?

[BigSHinyToys]

ChunLing, on 25 July 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Well, actually there are griefers that will run about with enough obsidian to entomb unlucky players who don't have a diamond pickaxe for some reason. Or, will break into your house, entomb your bed, then hunt you down and kill you so you respawn encased in obsidian. Which is sorta the reason that keeping griefers from getting into your house is a real concern. And that means that having an obsidian house is just making things easier for the really dangerous griefer.

But giving that sort the ability to easily trap you in a tomb that can be programmed to make fun of you endlessly strikes me as a bad idea. Effective anti-griefer measures need to kill the would-be griefer and make them lose all their stuff. Pulling the floor out from under them with sticky pistons and dropping them into a pit of lava and activated TNT is the way to go, as far as I'm concerned.

just have a lot of beds they wont bother to encase them all problem solved.

[Noodle]

See a pile of beds? SOMETHING BE SUSPICIOUS, grief time >/>
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See what I mean?

[ChunLing]

You put the beds in different places, of course. Your actual bed is in a deep-underwater base with the entrance heavily trapped with natural features even before the redstone devices start (culminating in the trapped password door).

The point of course is that there is no simple solution to griefing, the behavior itself consists of abusing game mechanics designed to make things easier for conventional players...like unbreakable blocks. It's the sort of anti-griefing measure that would instantly become the ultimate griefing tool.

[MindenCucc]

Or make a mod that sets the "lock" nbt data to an itemname, and make CC support that nbt data like chests do.
Or extend that to lock it with a key that has the player's name engraved in it, and check for that Right-click to lock, shift-rightclick to unlock. I'll do this today, I think

Edit: huge facepalm, I realised the necro I made

Edited by MindenCucc, 15 May 2015 - 01:34 PM.