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#21 ry00000

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Posted 01 April 2016 - 05:27 PM

View PostLDDestroier, on 29 March 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

My rage is up. Win10 is off my computer, and replaced with FreeDOS. I just got a soundblaster card. Now I just feel tipsy...maybe it's sleep deprivation.

Nah man, it's probably nostalgia. Pick up a USB floppy drive and a copy of Windows 3.1 and let it install, then you'll really feel it.

#22 LDDestroier

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 01:58 AM

Update: While I was watching some videos, the computer behind me automatically upgraded from Windows 7 to 10. I would be pissed, but the computer isn't used by anyone, so I just laughed it off. I still can't believe it just upgraded the operating system literally behind my back.

#23 Anavrins

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 02:25 AM

That would make me ditch out Windows completely if that had happened to me.
Thought, I've never had problems with this update, I simply opened Windows Update, right-clicked the "Windows 10" update, and hid it, additionally, I have auto-update off, and I regularly check for them manually.
It never annoyed me since, at least not intrusively.

Edited by Anavrins, 05 April 2016 - 02:25 AM.


#24 Bomb Bloke

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 02:42 AM

View PostAnavrins, on 05 April 2016 - 02:25 AM, said:

I have auto-update off

That's the important bit here - Microsoft keep unhiding it, and now that they've made it a "recommended" update instead of an "optional" one, it'll indeed put itself onto your system automatically under the default config.

#25 Anavrins

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 02:44 AM

It's still in "optional" for me for some reasons.

Plus, I think I might just ditch out Windows right now, it's been 30 mins in this update, and my network monitor saw no traffic at all...
Spoiler
rip win7 , I guess they decided to end it's extended support 4 years in advance...

Edited by Anavrins, 05 April 2016 - 03:00 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 11:59 AM

:P The only reason i use windows 10 is because windows 8.1 with bing was horrible! It was such a cpu hog :P. I dont like windows 10 i i can cope with it

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 07:03 PM

I have a tri boot setup on one harddrive, windows 7, windows 10, and debian
overnight without my permission windows 7 "upgraded" to windows 10 completely breaking GRUB and the software installed that diddnt work on windows 10 (the only reason i HAD the separate partition in the first place)

also when i leave windows 10 on overnight it randomly BSODs, reboots into windows recovery, thinks GRUB is somehow the cause of the problem and overwrites it
i have had to re install GRUB from a flash drive 6 times now, im sticking with running windows in a VM im completely done

i. really. hate. windows 10

microsoft keeps saying windows 7 is insecure because it was released in 2009 which is just marketing nonsense to excuse them shoving it down your throat
windows 10 is just the windows 7 kernel with UI and default software changes

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 09:32 PM

View PostPixelToast, on 05 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

microsoft keeps saying windows 7 is insecure because it was released in 2009 which is just marketing nonsense to excuse them shoving it down your throat
My thoughts exactly, their extended support last until 2020, and it does include security updates
If you're willing to let me use Win7 until 2020, then let me use it until 2020 damnit :(

Edited by Anavrins, 05 April 2016 - 09:33 PM.


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 11:51 PM

View PostPixelToast, on 05 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

windows 10 is just the windows 7 kernel with UI and default software changes

Truth be told, Vista was version 6, and Windows 7 / 8 / 8.1 are all version 6.x as well. 10 skips versions 7 / 8 / 9 and calls itself version 10.

That is to say, really it's all just been modified versions of Vista for however many years.

(Seriously though, some say that sticking with version 6.x for so long was one method of preventing programs from throwing errors simply because they didn't like the look of the OS version number. This is probably the case, but I've always felt that "7" was always a little joke from Microsoft - they rushed out something that was nearly the same as Vista (because people hated Vista), and the version number (6) properly reflects that, but the title "7" was a pretence that they were more different than was actually the case.)

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 11:58 AM

View PostPixelToast, on 05 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

windows 10 is just the windows 7 kernel with UI and default software changes
I use virtual machines when I'm away from my computer that has any sense to it (I just hate the computer I'm browsing the forums with) and from my experience, windows10, unlike windows7, converts jar files to zip files. So if it's the case that windows10 is essentially windows7 with UI, then why does it convert the files?

Edited by everyOS, 06 April 2016 - 11:58 AM.


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 12:48 PM

View PosteveryOS, on 06 April 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

View PostPixelToast, on 05 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

windows 10 is just the windows 7 kernel with UI and default software changes
I use virtual machines when I'm away from my computer that has any sense to it (I just hate the computer I'm browsing the forums with) and from my experience, windows10, unlike windows7, converts jar files to zip files. So if it's the case that windows10 is essentially windows7 with UI, then why does it convert the files?

Jar files are zip files with a different name. They're the same format. It wouldn't require any major changes to recognize jars as zips, since the file structure is the same.

#32 MKlegoman357

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 01:20 PM

View PosteveryOS, on 06 April 2016 - 11:58 AM, said:

I use virtual machines when I'm away from my computer that has any sense to it (I just hate the computer I'm browsing the forums with) and from my experience, windows10, unlike windows7, converts jar files to zip files. So if it's the case that windows10 is essentially windows7 with UI, then why does it convert the files?

Windows doesn't convert any files you download with your internet browser, it's the browser itself that creates the file and thus changes the extension. Neither MS Edge, nor IE does such a thing.

Edited by MKlegoman357, 06 April 2016 - 02:37 PM.


#33 Lupus590

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 02:05 PM

Have you got extensions on? If not then it may not be converting the file, but it may be treating the jar as a zip.

Continuing on from what Tiin57 said, jar and zip are conceptually different. A jar is expected to be executable with a Java VM whereas a zip is expected to be a compressed folder of files. But not everyone adherers to standards

Edited by Lupus590, 06 April 2016 - 02:06 PM.


#34 H4X0RZ

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Posted 06 April 2016 - 08:39 PM

I don't believe that windows 10 is just a new ui for 7. That's like saying 8 is just a ui too. AFAIK 10 is based on a new core which is shared between PC and mobile. Also 10 is going to support Linux executables, natively.

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 12:24 AM

View PostLupus590, on 06 April 2016 - 02:05 PM, said:

Continuing on from what Tiin57 said, jar and zip are conceptually different. A jar is expected to be executable with a Java VM whereas a zip is expected to be a compressed folder of files. But not everyone adherers to standards

They're both archives, and when you get right down to it, they even share the same file headers. JARs are ZIP files, and hence it's impossible to "convert" from one to the other - for the same reason you can't convert a door into a door. It's already a door.

However, certain web browsers "correct" the extensions of downloaded files if the headers don't "match". Some such browsers aren't bright enough to recognise that JAR can be an appropriate extension for ZIPs, and rename them when they shouldn't. I know older versions of Safari did this (and it wouldn't surprise me if current ones do it too).

Whether you've got the underlying OS set to display file extensions has nothing to do with whether they're there or how they're treated. But yes, if the browser is retaining the correct file extension, it'll do you no good if Windows has got JARs associated with WinZip or somesuch. Pretty low odds of that, though.

View PostH4X0RZ, on 06 April 2016 - 08:39 PM, said:

I don't believe that windows 10 is just a new ui for 7.

It's not. I mean, yeah they share enough code (and bugs) that you can say it in jest, but the term "just" is admittedly inappropriate.

#36 MKlegoman357

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 07:22 PM

Automatic Windows updates never bothered me, until now, as I'll be on a metered connection for about two weeks. So I went online to look for a 'hack' to disable them and instead found that the "Ask me to download and install" option is still actually a part of windows updates.

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:05 PM

Good to know, but I notice that applies to professional versions only.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 08:36 AM

View PostMKlegoman357, on 08 April 2016 - 07:22 PM, said:

Automatic Windows updates never bothered me, until now, as I'll be on a metered connection for about two weeks. So I went online to look for a 'hack' to disable them and instead found that the "Ask me to download and install" option is still actually a part of windows updates.

Their is a setting to tell Windows that a connection is metered and then Windows will reduce its own traffic over that connection. I don't know how this affects Windows Update but it will probably save you some data.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 05:57 PM

View PostStekeblad, on 09 April 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

Their is a setting to tell Windows that a connection is metered and then Windows will reduce its own traffic over that connection. I don't know how this affects Windows Update but it will probably save you some data.

Yes, I'm aware of that setting.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 06:03 PM

Thanks for the link, MKlegoman357 - very informative :)





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